That will come back to bite him!

Since so many people still seem to be undecided, I thought I’d post a blog on what has made my mind up. If I were a governor or in the senate, I’d have to ask myself if I were going to run for president some day or how far I’d take my career. When I think about that I am curious about what would change or what kind of choices I’d make leading up to running for such an important position in the world. Would I believe certain things just because it would get the most votes, or would my decisions be the same no matter what the result would be?

The reason abortion is such a key issue to me is that it is a foundation belief of a faith in God. It’s extremely clear that a belief in God would suggest that you agree He created the first humans, Adam and Eve, and those creations were given sexual organs to continue this creating work on their own (Cain and Abel’s birth following). There are quite a few scientists these days who are trying to clone or mess with the creation of a human being. My point with the abortion issue is that if you asked every woman who has ever decided to abort a child (early or late term) they would have to admit that the child started with intercourse / the union of both sperm and egg. The same God that allows that created the means for that to take place (our bodies) has commanded that we are not to murder. That makes abortion an extremely clear rejection of God’s plan.

I had an interesting discussion last night just following the VP debate with a respected Christian friend of mine who is voting for Obama. He was questioning when life itself begins, or if miscarriages and children born with down syndrome have something that goes wrong that God would maybe feel sorry about. From my understanding of his point, he was obviously trying to persuade himself to vote for Obama. The man who is trying to make us believe that we can have a belief in God, but still be alright with abortion. He’s publicly said he is not “pro-abortion” but is “pro-choice”. Most abortions are simply attempts to get someone out of an unfortunate situation (because of the mother’s age, financial status, rape, etc.). All pretty bad positions to be in, but I am living proof that the God I serve can carry a mother through a situation and has better things planned for her.

I’ll be honest about why I am blogging about this. I hear Biden last night try to say that Obama didn’t say he’d sit down with terrorist leaders at a table for discussion, when a week ago Obama publicly said he would (and I can grab some footage for you in seconds that proves it). I sense a lying pattern in that camp that I didn’t enjoy seeing in the most previous democratic president. We all have lied, but it’s another thing to be in the most prominent position in the world and not be trusted like this.

I honestly believe that Obama has turned so many corners, like I mentioned in the beginning, in his effort to go from community organizer to senate to president. Ditching his church after spending 20 years there JUST TO GET VOTES. Being “pro-choice” and not “pro-abortion” to try to sway even Christians JUST TO GET THEIR VOTES. The one reason I could not vote for Obama is that his faith apparently isn’t more important to him than being our president. When he tells us he just wants to lower the amount of abortions, that is not enough. It’s my prayer that you are able to vote for a man that has always been true to his country. No matter how you vote, this isn’t just an issue of politics. This is a clear example of the false teachers God has told us would come. In my opinion, this election will come back to bite Obama after it is all said and done. I won’t be answering for decisions like that, and neither will my actions with my vote.

EDIT – A friend just passed this book along. Looks like it might do a much better of a job at defining our response to God within government. http://www.xmission.com/~nccs/ftyl.html

  1. Although I disagree with Obama on abortion and do not plan to vote for him, I also wonder if we are to judge his positions as if it is church doctrine.  The false teachers talked about by Jesus and Paul were clearly religious leaders or church leaders who were distorting the truth in the name of sound teaching.  This is different than a politician who is speaking about politics.  If the case were true, then I would judge John McCain to also be a false teacher because of some of his political views as well.  Not all that he believes is in line with sound doctrine either.  

    I think that whenever you decide to vote you are going to have to prioritize your values and decide what you are willing to let go.  I don’t see either candidate representing all of my convictions as a Chrisitan.  As a result, if I want to engage in the system I must be willing to choose who seems to best represent what is most important to me.  Different people (even Christians) will decide different issues are the most important.  I know quite a number of Christians who are opposed to abortion, but line up with Barack on more things than McCain and so they plan to vote for him even though they don’t agree with him on everything.  I think that we all do this to an extent.

    What scares me is when Christians begin to think that the Republican way is God’s way.  Because the Republican party represents a proper perspective on the abortion issue, then they represent me in every way.  This is dangerous waters.  This is unfortunately how a lot of evangelicals think even though they would never admit to it.  They believe that anyone who votes for a democrat can’t really be a mature Christian.  People really think this.  This is sad. 

  2. Nobody in the world is pro-abortion. Nobody.

    The question wasn’t would Obama meet w/ any terrorist—he has clearly stated that he would meet with world leaders. The question was, did Obama say he would sit down with Ahmadinejad.

    Here’s the answer to that…

    “Ahmadinejad is not the most powerful person in Iran. He may not be the right person to talk to. But I reserve the right, as president of the United States to meet with anybody at a time and place of my choosing if I think it’s going to keep America safe,” -Obama at the Sept. 26 debate.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/03/fact-check-is-obama-willing-to-meet-with-irans-ahmadinejad/

    As for Obama’s faith. I just read the book The Faith of Barack Obama, written by a political conservative. I recommend that to anyone who questions his faith. Personally I’m not sure any christian should be questioning someone else’s faith.

  3. @KG – 

    I’d sure like to see another comment that lists issues a Christian would find more important than the issue of abortion. As you can read in my post, this issue is past the political stuff. If McCain were to die tomorrow my faith would be the same. It’s just too bad that the individual standing up for life again “just so happens” to be on the republican ticket. There seems to be a trend there?

  4. @theoriginalmudpuppy – 

    Nice to see you return to the blog mudpuppy…..I figured this might bring some back out! I’m not questioning Obama’s faith. I am taking what he has PUBLICLY shared with us and comparing it to my own, and leaving it sit out there for people to decide on their own. Like I can make someone’s mind up for them. Sorry you can’t see that.

  5. When people say things like “Ditching his church after spending 20 years there JUST TO GET VOTES” or “Being “pro-choice” and not “pro-abortion” to try to sway even Christians JUST TO GET THEIR VOTES” or “his faith apparently isn’t more important to him than being our president,” how else am I supposed to take it? You imply that is faith isn’t real, that it’s all a charade to pander votes. I’m not going to do that.

    In this video you can listen for yourself how Barack feels about his faith.

    http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid353515028?bctid=416343938

  6. @Gabe – Right on Brother!

    @AK – I agree to a certain point. In my mind, human life trumps all issues. As a Christian, how can you put things like immigration, the economy and health care above an innocent child’s life? Knowing that a miracle – God’s creation – is being brutally butchered should make your heart shudder. To me, voting for a pro-choice candidate is on par with performing the procedure myself. If I’m enabling the Union to continue doing it, what’s the difference between me and the abortion doctor?

    I’ll give you the Christian/Republican comparison, but that falls right back to what you said early on… People are going to align with the candidate that has the most in common with their beliefs. The Republican Party has historically leaned much farther to the moral right. Do I think you should punch a straight Rep. ticket? Probably not unless you really think every one of those people are spot on.

    Honestly, I probably won’t vote for either side. There are smaller parties that embrace more of what I find to be spot on. Do they have a chance of winning? No, but I know that I voted for who I truly believed in and like Gabe said, I won’t have any problem answering for my decision when the time comes.

  7. @theoriginalmudpuppy – 

    I am just sharing my thoughts. He did leave his church because his pastor was starting to tear down his campaign. There is no other reason for him leaving. If there is, be sure to post it here and let me know! There also isn’t a middle ground between pro-choice and pro-abortion. If they mean two different things, again…..please post them here! I’m just stating facts that he has given us about his faith, whether he chose to or not. These are results of actions of his own, not me stretching or spinning political nonsense.

  8. Erik,

    I agree that human life is a key issue and honestly for me personally it has a lot to do with why I won’t be voting for Barack.  There are more human life issues than just abortion though.  War and your ideology of that is a human life issue which also affects the lives of innocent children.  Global poverty and the fact that many people around the globe are literally starving to death on a daily basis is a human life issue that affects children as well.  Need I go on.  So to go with your guilt by association are we guilty by association if we vote for a candidate who is responsible for orders that lead to the death of innocent children in war.  Or are we responsible for the deaths of those starving because we have failed to act because we did not see it as a priority.  

    I just think that we have way, way oversimplified the world we live in when we treat abortion as the only issue of protecting human life.  That is why I am saying that it is not cut and dry and people must make decisions that are not always easy. 

  9. @KG – 

    Abortion just happens to be the one that both parties usually disagree on. Helping other countries and whether we should get out of the war are definitely issues as well, but it’s clear that the difference between parties isn’t quite as clear. I prefer to listen to our soldiers on the war in Iraq issue, and I’ve been glad to hear they mostly agree with McCain.

  10. It’s great to see some thoughtful comments on both sides of the fence here.  The problem here is what always bothers me when it comes to the self-proclaimed “christian view” of things.  I really feel that some people pick and choose what parts of scripture that they choose to follow and obey.  I find it tough to swallow christians who are so righteous about certain issues but are SO quick to judge on other issues.  A “christian” who says “In my opinion, this election will come back to bite Obama after it is all said and done.”  That doesn’t sound very christian to me. 

    And I really hope that christians voting for McCain think he’s perfect and morally sound.  Look at his voting record when it comes to helping the less fortunate, education, and the middle class.  Look at his personal history – ditching his first wife for the hot, young beer heiress.  C’mon – those who live in glass houses….

    Also, not all soldiers want to keep fighting Vietnam II – I have several friends who spent a year in Iraq and are facing another deployment.  They said it might have made sense in the beginning but now it’s just a waste of lives and resources. 

    http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

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